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Learning Kanji by radical? 14 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 0  
So I'm pretty close to mastering Hiragana, and soon I will be learning the Katakana. From there, the real challenge begins; learning the Kanji!

The only problem is, I'm not really sure how to go about doing this. I have been learning the Hiragana through flashcards and written practice and will most likely do the same for the Katakana. However these are syllabaries and are only about 46 characters each with slight variations.

The Kanji features over 3000 characters in regular use and memorising them will be a completly different experience to the kana.

My understanding is that Japanese people are taught about 100 or so each school year until they leave high school. I'm not sure how it is structured but I would imagine they begin with common kanji and work towards less common ones.

I've heard that this isn't a good way for foreigners who already speak another language and they should learn by 'Radical'. The only problem is I cannot find a clear definition of a radical, or how to go about learning them this way.

Another method I have heard is learning by stroke count. I suppose it is a sensible way to structure but I don't see the point if stroke count doesn't hold any significance to the kanji's meaning.

What is a 'radical' and how should I use them to learn Kanji? And, is this a good way to learn?

Or, would I be better using the stroke count or school method?

What way did/are you learning? And what are the pro's and con's?

Thanks!
 
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Re:Learning Kanji by radical? 14 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: -583  
I like flashcards..
but whatever works best for you!
 
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Re:Learning Kanji by radical? 14 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 0  
Japan is the coolest. I love their culture and everything. I got really upset when I heard my uncle was over in Japan. Well not as much mad as I was jelous. I want to see Japan before I die but I don't have much money. It makes me sad because I don't think I'm going to live much longer either so the only thing I can do is visit these message boards, check out videos and images of Japan and attempt to learn the language. I have the book Japanese for dummies and I'm trying to learn that way but its really hard because I have a problem with my attention span. I could really use a study buddy. Anybody interested?
 
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Re:Learning Kanji by radical? 14 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 0  
Radicals are the components of a given kanji. They represent basic concepts. There are radicals that represent "person," "heart," "water," "sword," and so on. Most radicals are also kanji by themselves. Alone, or glommed together, they usually help to convey the meaning of the kanji, either quite literally or by subtle metaphor. Usually, one prominent radical in the kanji is considered the radical for that kanji, and you can use it as one way of finding a kanji in a dictionary.

I think you'll find that you will coincidentally learn a lot of the most common radicals when you learn kanji in the usual school order, or in the order a typical Japanese-as-second-language textbook might teach it. For instance, once you know the kanji for "person" and "tree," you also know the radicals for "person" and "tree." They may be a little squished or rotated, but they're generally pretty similar. Knowing those two radicals would, for instance, allow you to learn and remember the kanji for "rest/break," because it consists of a person leaning on a tree (more or less).

Unfortunately, due to shifts in meaning, or in some cases where kanji have been written more and more sloppily over the years, the radicals in a kanji aren't always helpful in understanding its meaning, and you just have to memorize by rote. That's just life.

Stroke order won't help you learn kanji in any way I know of. It's a way of looking kanji up in the dictionary, so it's useful to know, but it won't help you learn the characters or their meanings.

I would recommend finding a well-respected Japanese-as-a-second-language textbook and learning in the order it offers. It will most likely give you a foundation that allows you to pick up new words/kanji by building on what you already know. You'll learn basic kanji, which tend to be radicals as well, which will then allow you to learn and remember new kanji, not to mention giving you a chance to guess at kanji you don't know by looking at their radicals and the context of the sentence.

Really, what you want is a combination of multiple techniques. Use a lesson plan created by someone with a clue. Use flash cards for things you won't easily remember. When you have time to kill, say the words and draw the kanji in the air. Read easy articles, manga, or books, and look up characters you don't know. The more different pathways you establish in your head, the better chance you'll have of finding a way back to what you're trying to remember.

(Disclaimer: I'm still only at 500-600 kanji, myself. I'm just telling you what seems to work best for me.)
 
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Re:Learning Kanji by radical? 14 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 0  
Sleepyhead wrote:
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The Kanji features over 3000 characters in regular use and memorising them will be a completly different experience to the kana.

My understanding is that Japanese people are taught about 100 or so each school year until they leave high school. I'm not sure how it is structured but I would imagine they begin with common kanji and work towards less common ones.

I've heard that this isn't a good way for foreigners who already speak another language and they should learn by 'Radical'. The only problem is I cannot find a clear definition of a radical, or how to go about learning them this way.

That sounds like "hocus pocus" to me. Radicals are a way of searching for kanji in a dictionary, not for learning them.

I would suggest that you think about learning words rather than learning kanji. Learn the kanji as you need them to write words.

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Another method I have heard is learning by stroke count.

It looks like you are a crazy mixed up kid, because again stroke counts are a way to look up kanjis in a dictionary not to learn them. I have a web page which explains:

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Let me know if it's useful to you or not.
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What way did/are you learning? And what are the pro's and con's?

I went to a calligraphy class, and the teacher made me write "one", "two", and then "three" (can't seem to type Japanese on this forum). It took a month because I had to write them over and over again.
 
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Re:Learning Kanji by radical? 14 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: -583  
Just a quiet word...
best remove those links..
Forum rules are in the "general" section..
 
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